1 00:00:21,150 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:24,310 be back at this conference and see so 3 00:00:30,580 --> 00:00:25,970 many wonderful friends and colleagues 4 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:30,590 for many years so first I'd like to 5 00:00:34,780 --> 00:00:32,290 define biophotons 6 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:34,790 we're really talking about the ultra 7 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:37,280 weak visible light between 400 and 700 8 00:00:41,980 --> 00:00:39,890 nanometers that is emitted by all living 9 00:00:43,780 --> 00:00:41,990 organisms to be distinguished from the 10 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:43,790 infrared light which of course were 11 00:00:48,850 --> 00:00:46,640 emitting about a hundred watts of this 12 00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:48,860 is extremely low level light on the 13 00:00:54,190 --> 00:00:51,860 order of you know somewhere between zero 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:54,200 and about a hundred photons per second 15 00:01:00,790 --> 00:00:57,730 per square centimeter of tissue and 16 00:01:02,590 --> 00:01:00,800 there are two views on this light the 17 00:01:05,380 --> 00:01:02,600 dominant world view holds that this 18 00:01:07,749 --> 00:01:05,390 light is nothing more than a waste it's 19 00:01:09,340 --> 00:01:07,759 a byproduct of the free radical 20 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:09,350 chemistry within the body and doesn't 21 00:01:16,270 --> 00:01:13,609 have any significance except to be 22 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:16,280 emitted as waste energy but there is an 23 00:01:21,669 --> 00:01:19,280 emerging worldview in which a growing 24 00:01:24,969 --> 00:01:21,679 number are seeing and they do call them 25 00:01:27,789 --> 00:01:24,979 bio photons in this case this energy as 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:27,799 bio informational perhaps involved in 27 00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:30,170 bio regulation of the organism and even 28 00:01:36,010 --> 00:01:33,200 bio communication between organisms many 29 00:01:37,989 --> 00:01:36,020 years ago unofficially I did an 30 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:37,999 experiment that convinced me there might 31 00:01:42,099 --> 00:01:39,350 be something here and I'll just tell you 32 00:01:45,309 --> 00:01:42,109 briefly what it is I was working with 33 00:01:48,219 --> 00:01:45,319 Drosophila fruit flies and I put fifty 34 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:48,229 male fruit flies in one vial 50 female 35 00:01:53,709 --> 00:01:51,289 fruit flies in another vial and 25 male 36 00:01:56,949 --> 00:01:53,719 and 25 female fruit flies in a third 37 00:02:00,219 --> 00:01:56,959 vial and I measured the light and I 38 00:02:02,949 --> 00:02:00,229 found much more light emanating from the 39 00:02:05,289 --> 00:02:02,959 vial of male and females so I don't 40 00:02:06,609 --> 00:02:05,299 believe that it's just metabolic waste 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:06,619 it might be involved in bio 42 00:02:10,690 --> 00:02:09,890 communication it suggests that and today 43 00:02:13,570 --> 00:02:10,700 we're talking about different 44 00:02:17,259 --> 00:02:13,580 experiments both Harry and I spent some 45 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:17,269 time working with dr. Fitz pop in 46 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:19,090 Germany who coined the word 47 00:02:23,170 --> 00:02:20,360 electromagnetic 48 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:23,180 I owe information meaning that the 49 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:26,450 synergy is is the is possibly bio 50 00:02:31,810 --> 00:02:28,070 informational coming from living things 51 00:02:34,090 --> 00:02:31,820 and Fritz pioneered the idea that the 52 00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:34,100 light went coherent now the light is 53 00:02:39,850 --> 00:02:37,280 low-level but he found that the kinetics 54 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:39,860 of the light emitted if it fell at a 55 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:41,930 poor Sounion distribution they were 56 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:44,750 random individual events that would be a 57 00:02:49,270 --> 00:02:46,430 sign of the coherence of the light 58 00:02:51,790 --> 00:02:49,280 whereas of the the decay pattern was 59 00:02:54,190 --> 00:02:51,800 exponential that would be a sign that it 60 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:54,200 was the chemiluminescence according to 61 00:02:59,740 --> 00:02:57,590 the biomedical worldview and for the 62 00:03:01,960 --> 00:02:59,750 most part his lab found coherent light 63 00:03:04,570 --> 00:03:01,970 and I spent some time there and we also 64 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:04,580 could distinguish organic alfalfa 65 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:06,980 sprouts from commercial ones solely by 66 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:09,410 this factor which was interesting and 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:11,120 and so I think there would be many 68 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:14,330 applications both diagnostic as well as 69 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:16,760 possibly therapeutic which haven't 70 00:03:21,610 --> 00:03:18,489 really been born yet as far as I know 71 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:21,620 these the studies creep forward only 72 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:24,830 because funding is there's quite a lack 73 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:27,140 of funding the previous studies on 74 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:29,630 humans are pretty slim their studies on 75 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:32,620 single human beings emitting light 76 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:34,970 especially from the palms of the hands 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:37,100 and the fingertips but nobody's ever 78 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:39,530 looked at or at least published studies 79 00:03:45,729 --> 00:03:41,750 of humans interacting and that's where 80 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:45,739 we come in today there is some 81 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:47,209 literature I'll just mention a couple of 82 00:03:52,060 --> 00:03:49,700 interesting papers one was a 83 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:52,070 dissertation by Eugene Wallace at 84 00:03:57,460 --> 00:03:54,140 California Institute for human Science 85 00:04:01,449 --> 00:03:57,470 down in Encinitas and he looked at 86 00:04:01,780 --> 00:04:01,459 people who intended to heal in a Faraday 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:01,790 cage 88 00:04:05,770 --> 00:04:03,650 it was just looking at the hand and 89 00:04:06,460 --> 00:04:05,780 measuring counting photons from the palm 90 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:06,470 of the hand 91 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:08,030 and the case where they were intending 92 00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:10,100 to heal versus doing mental arithmetic 93 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:13,489 as a control and found an increase in 94 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:16,820 light emission that was factors of a 95 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:19,390 hundred two thousand in the healing 96 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:23,150 condition and dr. Hiroshi motoyama in 97 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:25,370 Japan has measured lights coming from 98 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:27,770 the crown of the head in the palm of the 99 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:30,289 hand by advanced meditators and also 100 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:32,030 found that during the meditation state 101 00:04:35,629 --> 00:04:34,289 the light also increases so 102 00:04:38,659 --> 00:04:35,639 here's some pieces of evidence that 103 00:04:41,929 --> 00:04:38,669 maybe it's not just junk as the 104 00:04:44,209 --> 00:04:41,939 mainstream things the GTV the gas 105 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:44,219 discharge visualization camera from 106 00:04:47,719 --> 00:04:46,529 Russia invented by dr. korotkov is 107 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:47,729 something else we've used in our 108 00:04:53,149 --> 00:04:49,800 laboratory to look at light but this is 109 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:53,159 an induced light because we're using a 110 00:04:59,209 --> 00:04:56,449 very high voltage electrophotographic 111 00:05:05,629 --> 00:04:59,219 technique where the fingertip is placed 112 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:05,639 on say 15,000 volts signal and then a 113 00:05:10,779 --> 00:05:07,889 Corona discharge occurs it's the Kirlian 114 00:05:15,469 --> 00:05:10,789 effect basically in a digital camera and 115 00:05:18,980 --> 00:05:15,479 studying energy therapies therapists who 116 00:05:22,339 --> 00:05:18,990 are in the act of giving energy or or 117 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:22,349 sending it by sure will and intention we 118 00:05:28,219 --> 00:05:24,360 see much more intense light and even 119 00:05:29,899 --> 00:05:28,229 sparks as shown here around those Corona 120 00:05:33,499 --> 00:05:29,909 discharges whereas in the resting state 121 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:33,509 it looks rather uniform and is much less 122 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:35,759 intense so this also suggests that 123 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:37,409 there's something going on and possibly 124 00:05:41,929 --> 00:05:39,209 it's involved with the bio field 125 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:41,939 therapies modalities such as therapeutic 126 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:44,969 touch Reiki medical Qigong Healing Touch 127 00:05:48,259 --> 00:05:46,889 there are many of these today and that's 128 00:05:50,509 --> 00:05:48,269 one of the things our laboratory has 129 00:05:52,899 --> 00:05:50,519 been investigating these things remain 130 00:05:56,329 --> 00:05:52,909 outside of the mainstream and considered 131 00:05:58,129 --> 00:05:56,339 basically placebo effects but because we 132 00:06:00,320 --> 00:05:58,139 don't understand the modus operandi for 133 00:06:02,929 --> 00:06:00,330 how they work but we're trying to 134 00:06:07,899 --> 00:06:02,939 explore that and and show an energetic 135 00:06:11,239 --> 00:06:07,909 connection so in our first study I 136 00:06:14,059 --> 00:06:11,249 should say we we started we had to build 137 00:06:15,980 --> 00:06:14,069 a bio photon chamber because you can't 138 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:15,990 just go out and buy one of these you can 139 00:06:19,969 --> 00:06:17,610 buy the photo detector but you need to 140 00:06:21,559 --> 00:06:19,979 set up a chamber that's completely dark 141 00:06:23,540 --> 00:06:21,569 in which to house the subjects during 142 00:06:25,369 --> 00:06:23,550 measurements and Harry will talk a 143 00:06:26,899 --> 00:06:25,379 little bit about that in a second but 144 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:26,909 our research questions were these in the 145 00:06:30,829 --> 00:06:28,319 first preliminary study and it was 146 00:06:33,409 --> 00:06:30,839 really to test our apparatus so here we 147 00:06:35,749 --> 00:06:33,419 are back about a year ago can we measure 148 00:06:37,820 --> 00:06:35,759 a change in the bio photon emission from 149 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:37,830 the hands of practitioners before and 150 00:06:42,589 --> 00:06:40,259 after energy therapy can we measure a 151 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:42,599 change from the hands of patients that 152 00:06:47,119 --> 00:06:45,060 they've just treated before and after 153 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:47,129 energy therapy and can we measure bio 154 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,180 photons during 155 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:50,160 the energy healing event itself all 156 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:52,860 housed in this dark chamber now I'll 157 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:55,440 turn it over to Harry who will tell us 158 00:06:58,850 --> 00:06:58,289 about his design and construction of the 159 00:07:01,580 --> 00:06:58,860 device 160 00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:01,590 okay the technical challenge with 161 00:07:07,310 --> 00:07:04,199 measuring bio photons are twofold first 162 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:07,320 of all you have to have absolute light 163 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:09,330 tightness you cannot afford to have a 164 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:12,690 single photon in stray or it's going to 165 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:15,330 upset your measurement and we managed to 166 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:17,850 build a chamber that indeed we could get 167 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:19,560 completely light right and that's what 168 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:21,690 you're seeing here the second challenge 169 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:24,240 is you have to be able to detect single 170 00:07:28,249 --> 00:07:26,099 photons and that's another challenge in 171 00:07:31,310 --> 00:07:28,259 itself and for that we had to use a 172 00:07:33,140 --> 00:07:31,320 special photo detector photomultiplier 173 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:33,150 tube that was specially selected for 174 00:07:39,140 --> 00:07:36,150 extremely low dark count here you see 175 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:39,150 our chamber that we built it's about 4 176 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:43,080 feet by 4 feet by 8 feet and can sit 3 177 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:46,080 people and you see the electronics next 178 00:07:51,050 --> 00:07:48,960 to it here you see an interior of course 179 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:51,060 is painted all black we have three 180 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:54,750 chairs were Beverley and healer and the 181 00:07:59,300 --> 00:07:57,360 Healy can sit and the bio photon 182 00:08:00,890 --> 00:07:59,310 detector is the black tube that's 183 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:00,900 mounted on the standard lamp which 184 00:08:05,899 --> 00:08:03,000 allows us was 6 degrees of freedom to 185 00:08:09,050 --> 00:08:05,909 move and position the detector in any 186 00:08:10,939 --> 00:08:09,060 possible way and remain steady there 187 00:08:12,620 --> 00:08:10,949 remember also that Beverley has to do 188 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:12,630 all of these things in complete and 189 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:15,690 utter darkness I mean she can't see 190 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:18,690 anything so that added another dimension 191 00:08:24,649 --> 00:08:22,680 of difficulty to it this is a close up 192 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:24,659 of the detector right now we've just 193 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:27,780 strapped it with some broccoli rubber 194 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:29,849 bands there but it's holding up the 195 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:32,159 little green LED that you see at the 196 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:34,860 bottom is to calibrate the detector and 197 00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:36,810 we did a test where Beverley could 198 00:08:40,940 --> 00:08:39,150 barely after her eyes were adapted she 199 00:08:43,370 --> 00:08:40,950 could barely see that there was 200 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:43,380 something and then the detector already 201 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:46,980 registered 16,000 counts per second so 202 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:48,839 that tells you that how low the 203 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:51,240 intensity of the emitted light is and we 204 00:08:57,860 --> 00:08:53,750 will be below hundred counts per second 205 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:57,870 here's a close-up below you see the LED 206 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:00,000 which is actually pointing away from 207 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:02,010 the detector right now we have a cap on 208 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:05,520 it and this is the detector tube that we 209 00:09:13,130 --> 00:09:08,490 used the SEL stands for selected they 210 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:13,140 selected for less than 15 counts per 211 00:09:17,510 --> 00:09:13,740 second 212 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:17,520 dart count at room temperature here we 213 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:19,560 show obviously this is not done in light 214 00:09:26,420 --> 00:09:22,200 this is just a mock up how we position 215 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:26,430 the detector to view the third eye here 216 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:29,840 how we view the palm of the hand and 217 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:32,370 that's me with the electronic snake 218 00:09:38,270 --> 00:09:35,880 right next to it we use NIM modules to 219 00:09:41,270 --> 00:09:38,280 to process the data to process the 220 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:41,280 signals and then use a PC to acquire the 221 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:44,850 data and here's the data where we show 222 00:09:50,270 --> 00:09:48,570 what we get as dark counts we first has 223 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:50,280 to have to establish the baseline and 224 00:09:58,460 --> 00:09:52,560 here we looked at five hours of dark 225 00:10:01,400 --> 00:09:58,470 count you can see how even the signal is 226 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:01,410 and mind you we have two we have in 227 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:04,170 order to get good statistics we have to 228 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:06,570 use an integration time of about two 229 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:08,720 minutes so we monitor for two minutes 230 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:11,700 acquire data and then we have a good 231 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:24,480 statistics so that we can average okay 232 00:10:30,230 --> 00:10:27,930 in our first preliminary study it was a 233 00:10:32,690 --> 00:10:30,240 quantitative study with five bio field 234 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:32,700 practitioners of different types medical 235 00:10:39,020 --> 00:10:36,780 Qigong reiki and mixed modalities where 236 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:39,030 they've studied many different types we 237 00:10:42,950 --> 00:10:41,250 had pain patients and we paired them off 238 00:10:44,930 --> 00:10:42,960 so they weren't couples that knew each 239 00:10:46,940 --> 00:10:44,940 other they were completely novel pairs 240 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:46,950 and measured them in eight different 241 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:48,980 sessions I'm only going to discuss a few 242 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:53,010 of those sessions and I was always in 243 00:10:56,450 --> 00:10:54,480 there with them and some of the latter 244 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:56,460 studies I realized I had to totally 245 00:11:00,350 --> 00:10:59,010 black in my body in the early studies we 246 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:00,360 were only black clothes but then I 247 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:03,390 realized even my face was an emitter so 248 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:05,730 then we needed a black mask and of 249 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:07,410 course black leather gloves everything 250 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:09,630 was blackened out as much as possible on 251 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:11,850 my body when I was measuring the others 252 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:13,450 because these photons bounce around 253 00:11:19,290 --> 00:11:17,470 interact so and they also had post 254 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:19,300 questionnaires on theirs on the 255 00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:22,360 satisfaction with the healing session 256 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:25,030 with relaxation and and some other 257 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:27,610 things that I'll go over so the overall 258 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:29,890 procedures are as follows the 259 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:31,210 practitioner and patient arrived 260 00:11:34,980 --> 00:11:32,890 independently they go through the 261 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:34,990 consent process and complete the 262 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:37,090 demographics questionnaire so we 263 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:38,230 understand more about their background 264 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:40,570 these were all very experienced healers 265 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:43,180 who had on the average about 19 years of 266 00:11:50,130 --> 00:11:47,200 experience practicing their biofield 267 00:11:51,630 --> 00:11:50,140 modality then they go into the dark 268 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:51,640 chamber with me and the doors shut and 269 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:53,830 sealed we did have a ventilation system 270 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:55,900 that was sent through baffles so that 271 00:11:59,670 --> 00:11:57,760 didn't add any light to the room but so 272 00:12:02,460 --> 00:11:59,680 we could breathe three people in a tiny 273 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:02,470 room sealed would be difficult Harry 274 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:04,000 stayed outside and was doing the 275 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:05,890 monitoring and collecting data and we 276 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:07,510 were just speaking to each other through 277 00:12:11,610 --> 00:12:09,490 the doors and then I was going around 278 00:12:13,890 --> 00:12:11,620 and placing the detector on different 279 00:12:17,190 --> 00:12:13,900 bodily regions of the subjects to count 280 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:17,200 the photons in two minute time periods 281 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:19,630 and then finally when we were done they 282 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:21,430 came out of the box and completed the 283 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:23,860 post session questionnaires related to 284 00:12:30,570 --> 00:12:29,440 satisfaction relaxation etc so we needed 285 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:30,580 a little time for the baseline to 286 00:12:37,230 --> 00:12:34,450 stabilize once we were in there and we 287 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:37,240 needed we took two minutes to measure 288 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:39,310 each bodily region which gave us very 289 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:41,730 good photon count statistics with a 290 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:44,530 standard deviation of about about a 291 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:47,770 tenth of a photon per second so it was 292 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:50,500 incredibly physically accurate and then 293 00:12:57,630 --> 00:12:52,810 we put a two minute baseline between 294 00:13:00,060 --> 00:12:57,640 each measurement of a person then the 295 00:13:02,220 --> 00:13:00,070 practitioner conducted a 20-minute bio 296 00:13:04,890 --> 00:13:02,230 field therapy session on the patient 297 00:13:06,690 --> 00:13:04,900 while I put the detector which was still 298 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:06,700 inside the box I moved it to the top 299 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:09,130 part of the box so that it might see 300 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:11,290 ambient photons in relation to the 301 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,640 healing session and then finally we 302 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:17,680 measured again the same bodily regions 303 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:20,110 usually the palm of the hand and 304 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:21,880 sometimes the sword fingers which are 305 00:13:27,180 --> 00:13:24,970 these two fingers especially associated 306 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:27,190 with martial arts and Qigong 307 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:30,010 as special emitters of energy and then 308 00:13:33,060 --> 00:13:31,300 finally the subject came out of the 309 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:33,070 chamber completed questionnaires on 310 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:35,310 relaxation well-being and satisfaction 311 00:13:43,620 --> 00:13:39,990 the demographics of the healers arranged 312 00:13:45,690 --> 00:13:43,630 in terms of modalities very experienced 313 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:45,700 we also asked him whether they thought 314 00:13:50,670 --> 00:13:47,970 energy was connected with light and 315 00:13:52,410 --> 00:13:50,680 answers were ranging from uncertain - 316 00:13:54,570 --> 00:13:52,420 maybe - yes 317 00:13:58,260 --> 00:13:54,580 following the therapy we also measured 318 00:14:01,200 --> 00:13:58,270 heart rate variability the low frequency 319 00:14:03,150 --> 00:14:01,210 high frequency ratio is is related to 320 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:03,160 autonomic nervous system balance and 321 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:04,990 almost all of those values are good 322 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:06,640 except the one that's three point one 323 00:14:11,490 --> 00:14:08,890 seven seven indicating little too much 324 00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:11,500 sympathetic dominance but nonetheless 325 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:13,780 the scores of relaxation well-being and 326 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:15,970 satisfaction on a scale from zero to ten 327 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:18,310 were all high so people were happy with 328 00:14:21,870 --> 00:14:19,840 the session even though it was done in a 329 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:21,880 completely dark box we didn't know how 330 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:24,040 that would feel either our patient 331 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:26,500 demographics they were essentially pain 332 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:30,250 patients and they were also relaxed felt 333 00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:32,290 good and satisfied with the experiment 334 00:14:37,950 --> 00:14:35,920 they were all women and various ages so 335 00:14:41,010 --> 00:14:37,960 here he will talk about the kinetics 336 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:41,020 because he did the data analysis ok here 337 00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:44,230 we see the raw data as it was acquired 338 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:48,390 from the detector in the y axis you see 339 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:50,500 accounts per second although here it's 340 00:14:57,540 --> 00:14:53,890 mentioned as millivolts as it came from 341 00:15:00,960 --> 00:14:57,550 our rate meter but please note that we 342 00:15:03,690 --> 00:15:00,970 have a signal and then I asked Beverly 343 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:03,700 to remove the photomultiplier - to get 344 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:06,010 the dark count again and then do another 345 00:15:12,450 --> 00:15:08,740 signal again so because as the baseline 346 00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:12,460 changes over the course of an hour we 347 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:14,620 will be able to subtract the better at 348 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:17,200 the background and here you can see that 349 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:20,650 the healer palms left and right or right 350 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:23,620 and left emitted much more light than 351 00:15:28,050 --> 00:15:26,350 the patient palms and then we had the 352 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:28,060 healing session where something was 353 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:29,650 happening and we don't know exactly what 354 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:32,410 happened and afterwards we had the 355 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:34,270 healer palms and the patient palms again 356 00:15:36,489 --> 00:15:35,950 I'm going to point out that during the 357 00:15:38,709 --> 00:15:36,499 healing 358 00:15:41,409 --> 00:15:38,719 there were certain comments made by the 359 00:15:43,299 --> 00:15:41,419 practitioner that said now the energy is 360 00:15:45,969 --> 00:15:43,309 flowing and right then 361 00:15:47,529 --> 00:15:45,979 the photons are also being emitted at a 362 00:15:49,059 --> 00:15:47,539 higher count which we felt was 363 00:15:50,289 --> 00:15:49,069 significant yes that that we could 364 00:15:52,029 --> 00:15:50,299 actually correlate there was very 365 00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:52,039 interesting in this particular session 366 00:15:57,489 --> 00:15:55,279 here we have another session and as you 367 00:15:59,229 --> 00:15:57,499 can see the healer pumps are now lower 368 00:16:01,239 --> 00:15:59,239 than the patient palms and this healer 369 00:16:03,819 --> 00:16:01,249 was actually having a bad day that day 370 00:16:07,499 --> 00:16:03,829 and didn't feel very well so apparently 371 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:07,509 the bio photons signal is correlated to 372 00:16:13,179 --> 00:16:11,209 the well-being of the individual and the 373 00:16:15,339 --> 00:16:13,189 healing session look here you can see 374 00:16:17,709 --> 00:16:15,349 there's nothing happening except for one 375 00:16:20,409 --> 00:16:17,719 spike in the beginning so it's a 376 00:16:22,809 --> 00:16:20,419 completely different flavor so to speak 377 00:16:24,339 --> 00:16:22,819 of the healing session and afterwards we 378 00:16:28,299 --> 00:16:24,349 have again the healer pumps and the 379 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:28,309 patient pumps here we have a martial 380 00:16:34,599 --> 00:16:32,929 arts artist and he put out the most bio 381 00:16:36,309 --> 00:16:34,609 photons and you can see the sword 382 00:16:38,199 --> 00:16:36,319 fingers in fact he came up with that 383 00:16:40,449 --> 00:16:38,209 idea he said I used the sword fingers a 384 00:16:42,849 --> 00:16:40,459 lot and so we said okay then let's test 385 00:16:44,199 --> 00:16:42,859 it and indeed he put out the most slide 386 00:16:49,479 --> 00:16:44,209 from a sword fingers that was very 387 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:49,489 interesting okay this is a summary of 388 00:16:54,699 --> 00:16:51,470 the data I just want to point out the 389 00:16:56,289 --> 00:16:54,709 data in red indicates the emission from 390 00:16:59,289 --> 00:16:56,299 the sword fingers which is higher than 391 00:17:02,949 --> 00:16:59,299 than any of the other the palms of hands 392 00:17:04,659 --> 00:17:02,959 etc and that the results really don't 393 00:17:07,269 --> 00:17:04,669 show much change before and after 394 00:17:09,159 --> 00:17:07,279 healing of healer palms or sword fingers 395 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:09,169 for that matter except it's somewhat 396 00:17:14,259 --> 00:17:11,689 quieter less photons after the session 397 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:14,269 and we didn't really analyze the data 398 00:17:19,179 --> 00:17:16,490 coming from during the healing session 399 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:19,189 because the detector was placed above 400 00:17:22,749 --> 00:17:21,110 everything and it really wasn't our 401 00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,759 research question we just wondered if we 402 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:24,319 could count something but we didn't do 403 00:17:28,419 --> 00:17:26,600 an in-depth analysis nor did we do 404 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:28,429 statistics on this because it was such a 405 00:17:35,049 --> 00:17:31,129 small sample but just to show you the 406 00:17:38,669 --> 00:17:35,059 trend is post healing the emission is 407 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:38,679 lower both patients and practitioners 408 00:17:43,659 --> 00:17:41,720 slightly lower in another study we 409 00:17:46,029 --> 00:17:43,669 looked at it was an outcome type of 410 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:46,039 study on three subjects where a 411 00:17:49,899 --> 00:17:47,450 practitioner came 412 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:49,909 and performed energy therapy on these 413 00:17:55,149 --> 00:17:52,850 people outside of the chamber and we 414 00:17:57,159 --> 00:17:55,159 looked at the patients inside the 415 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:57,169 chamber before they did the energy 416 00:18:00,519 --> 00:17:58,730 healing and then once again after they 417 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:00,529 did the energy healing and this time we 418 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:02,090 not only looked at the palm of the hand 419 00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:04,010 but we looked at what's called in 420 00:18:08,769 --> 00:18:05,630 traditional Chinese medicine the three 421 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,779 don t ends the forehead the upper don t 422 00:18:13,690 --> 00:18:10,880 n the hard area and the abdomen the 423 00:18:16,029 --> 00:18:13,700 lower don t n which are also minor 424 00:18:17,259 --> 00:18:16,039 chakras chakras two four and six there's 425 00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:17,269 another way to think about it 426 00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:20,480 we saw differences between the patients 427 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:21,740 and it was interesting discussing it 428 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:23,990 with the doctor later the people who 429 00:18:28,419 --> 00:18:25,730 were the sickest according to the 430 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:28,429 physician had the most imbalance in the 431 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:30,529 distribution of light from three don t 432 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:33,710 ends the palm of the hand is always the 433 00:18:38,769 --> 00:18:36,350 highest emitter in most cases and then 434 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:38,779 the third eye heart and abdomen emit 435 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:42,130 less I'll just go through this quickly 436 00:18:47,230 --> 00:18:45,049 this subject had very low emitting don t 437 00:18:50,649 --> 00:18:47,240 ends from the three regions they were 438 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:50,659 barely over the baseline count but the 439 00:18:58,659 --> 00:18:53,090 palms of the hands were robust and more 440 00:19:01,480 --> 00:18:58,669 normal and this is an example of a 441 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:01,490 really unbalance don t unworthy the 442 00:19:06,159 --> 00:19:03,260 third eye is even a higher emitter than 443 00:19:09,159 --> 00:19:06,169 the right palm of the hand which is very 444 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:09,169 unusual from what we've seen this was a 445 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:12,200 subject who said I have the ability to 446 00:19:18,190 --> 00:19:14,809 open and close my third eye which is you 447 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:18,200 know opening closing intuition so to 448 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:21,529 speak and she said could she do it which 449 00:19:26,139 --> 00:19:23,210 she would we measure it I said go ahead 450 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:26,149 yes and indeed we found that in the open 451 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:27,950 condition which is the last column there 452 00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:30,950 her third eye emitted fifty-one photons 453 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:33,440 per second whereas when it was closed it 454 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:35,210 was thirty four point five that's highly 455 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:38,210 significant difference I don't know that 456 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:39,830 we can replicate that people aren't in 457 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:41,690 the same state for a moment a moment and 458 00:19:45,789 --> 00:19:44,149 so that's how it is in biology but she 459 00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:45,799 was very convinced she had been measured 460 00:19:49,509 --> 00:19:47,480 in a closed condition and wanted to be 461 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:49,519 measured in open condition and was very 462 00:19:53,769 --> 00:19:52,100 satisfied with this result we also 463 00:19:55,779 --> 00:19:53,779 looked at these patients than before and 464 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:55,789 after bio field therapy and let me just 465 00:19:59,900 --> 00:19:58,010 tell you the general trend was the 466 00:20:02,510 --> 00:19:59,910 energy emission went down 467 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:02,520 and there was also a tendency to balance 468 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:04,740 out the irregularities between the don t 469 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:07,530 ends that may have been higher emitters 470 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:10,260 now they seem more balanced in the 471 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:13,590 photon emission from all three and I'll 472 00:20:18,530 --> 00:20:16,740 go through that quickly so all of this 473 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:18,540 relates to the possibility of what goes 474 00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:20,460 back to indigenous concepts of a 475 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:23,520 universal life energy which modern 476 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:26,250 science has sidestepped the concept of 477 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:29,430 Chi Chinese medicine or ki in Japanese 478 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:31,980 medicine of prana and Ayurveda just 479 00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:33,480 about every culture had a unique term 480 00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:34,860 for this even all of our Native American 481 00:20:39,170 --> 00:20:37,350 cultures and often we called it the 482 00:20:42,170 --> 00:20:39,180 vital force and now we call it the bio 483 00:20:44,380 --> 00:20:42,180 field in science but the metaphysical 484 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:44,390 arts showed pictures like this 485 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:47,100 fascinating to look at that so it's 486 00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,040 quite possible that the what we've been 487 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:52,440 measuring is related to something more 488 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:53,970 fundamental to life that's by a 489 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:56,610 regulatory and involved in energy 490 00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:58,410 healing I guess I better stop with that 491 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:00,900 and go to mine we did a study on 492 00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:02,970 cucumbers but I don't have a time to to 493 00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:06,420 mention except that organic emitted far 494 00:21:11,420 --> 00:21:09,420 less organic cucumbers far less bio 495 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:11,430 photons than conventionally grown ones 496 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:13,500 although we don't know the ages of the 497 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:14,730 conventionally grown ones because they 498 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:17,490 were purchased so this may not reflect 499 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:20,370 anything accurate may I just state my 500 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:21,630 conclusions thank you 501 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:24,480 so to conclude we found distinct 502 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:26,310 differences in bio photon counts for 503 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,620 persons that may relate to their health 504 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:30,960 status and their abilities to seemingly 505 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:35,220 move energy around their bodies secondly 506 00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:37,020 the bio photon emission of healers and 507 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:38,700 patients showed a slight decline 508 00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:41,220 immediately after energy healing in the 509 00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:43,860 two studies thirdly bio photon emission 510 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:46,200 of patients Dante ins showed greater 511 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:48,150 balance immediately following energy 512 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:51,540 therapy from a practitioner and a 513 00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:53,490 healthier person also tended to show a 514 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:55,500 greater balance between the emission of 515 00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:57,690 the three Dante ends and finally 516 00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:59,970 organically grown cucumbers emit less 517 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:01,980 light than conventionally grown ones in 518 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,590 this short study we think that the bio 519 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:09,360 photon emission may be part of the bio 520 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:11,250 field of the organism and fundamentally 521 00:22:18,020 --> 00:22:11,610 in 522 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,030 hypothesis that I wrote about 12 years 523 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:20,640 ago the biofield hypothesis which I can 524 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:22,950 give you the paper reference and they 525 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,650 were very unique energetic signatures to 526 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:27,960 the various bio field therapy sessions 527 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:30,450 however we did you know only eight of 528 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,330 these and we also have a bit of an 529 00:22:38,539 --> 00:22:35,760 unreliability since we had only a single 530 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:38,549 detector in the future we plan to set up 531 00:22:43,010 --> 00:22:40,340 a second detector so that we can monitor 532 00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:43,020 both patient and practitioner at the 533 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,390 same time and look for coincidence 534 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:47,460 counts and cross correlations between 535 00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,770 the emissions and finally we should 536 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:51,840 really study the same age cucumbers and 537 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,910 maybe grow them all ourselves from the 538 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:56,340 same seed stock so I'd like to 539 00:22:59,030 --> 00:22:57,450 acknowledge the Global Gateway 540 00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:59,040 foundation who funded part of this 541 00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:01,740 project and publications at the bio 542 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:04,440 field hypothesis and a chapter on the 543 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:07,860 bio field in Lynn Freeman's book if 544 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:09,650 you're interested I can mail you those 545 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:12,330 that's it 546 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:24,190 we do have time for two very quick 547 00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:34,310 questions Beverly I'm wondering why do 548 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:36,950 you limit this range to the visible 549 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:40,550 range of light because there's something 550 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:42,230 arbitrary about that it's just that our 551 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:44,870 eyes can detect it we try to healer we 552 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:46,730 have an infrared camera it picks up 553 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:50,000 three to five micrometers and of course 554 00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:52,370 who we met lots of infrared light the 555 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:56,390 healer emit healer emitted more from her 556 00:24:01,090 --> 00:23:58,490 palms than the other people in the lab 557 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:01,100 wouldn't it be interesting to expand to 558 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:03,890 other wavelengths certainly would 559 00:24:09,790 --> 00:24:07,690 I think we'd need a very expensive 560 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:09,800 detector to do that it wouldn't be 561 00:24:15,550 --> 00:24:11,570 photon counting then it would be thermal 562 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:15,560 imaging but many people are looking you 563 00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:17,510 know at thermal imaging and medicine and 564 00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:20,870 I'm sure we would see something there 565 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:22,790 too we're looking in this region of the 566 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:25,910 spectrum because there's a history and a 567 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:28,490 lore of bio information in these visible 568 00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,290 photons also that is a very good 569 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:36,080 question and we heard that we are very 570 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:40,280 limited by only looking at 700 400 to 571 00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:43,310 700 nanometers now in our case we were 572 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:46,160 off on extremely limited funding and so 573 00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,410 all we could really achieve for single 574 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:50,480 photon counting practically was a 575 00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:52,250 photomultiplier and that simply is 576 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:54,230 limited to that energy range but 577 00:24:58,660 --> 00:24:56,840 absolutely agreed we should look into UV 578 00:25:01,690 --> 00:24:58,670 we should you look into infrared and far 579 00:25:03,370 --> 00:25:01,700 infrared thank you I like to say I mean 580 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:03,380 I've always been an advocate of what I 581 00:25:07,810 --> 00:25:05,660 call the human energy project which 582 00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:07,820 would be like the human genome project 583 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:10,340 mapping all the genes of the human we 584 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,930 really need to map all the energies 585 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:14,240 emanating from the human body to fully 586 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:17,240 understand this wholly unexplored facet 587 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:18,950 of life which is completely 588 00:25:25,090 --> 00:25:20,930 complementary by the way to the particle 589 00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:25,100 view the energy view of life everybody I 590 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:28,760 have a question you your comparisons of 591 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:29,960 before and after 592 00:25:35,019 --> 00:25:32,840 with with healing sessions those are 593 00:25:38,289 --> 00:25:35,029 comparisons of the means did you look at 594 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:38,299 variances or did you have too few 595 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:40,190 experiments to be able to compute the 596 00:25:46,029 --> 00:25:44,090 variance obviously the concern is if the 597 00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:46,039 variances overlap then these mean 598 00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:49,720 differences may not be significant I 599 00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:53,390 think you have a very good point there 600 00:26:02,340 --> 00:25:57,830 and our our statistics was very low so 601 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:02,350 we cannot make much of a meaningful 602 00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:05,390 conclusion but what we can say and this 603 00:26:11,889 --> 00:26:08,779 is not scientific it's just from us to 604 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:11,899 you is we found that every session has a 605 00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:16,490 certain feel to it a certain how shall I 606 00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:23,929 say a certain sentiment for lack of a 607 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:26,360 better word it it it really is quite 608 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:28,370 different each one has its own little 609 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:31,330 fingerprint and we don't know exactly 610 00:26:37,389 --> 00:26:34,640 how we can cast it into a scientific 611 00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:37,399 language but if you go to a party and I 612 00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:39,020 ask you so how did you feel about that 613 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:40,190 person or that person and that person 614 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:42,529 you would say well I felt completely 615 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:44,809 different with these people but I didn't 616 00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:46,250 know and what kind of language I should 617 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,929 cast it so it's a little bit like that 618 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:50,720 so it's almost like as each session has 619 00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:51,890 its own personality 620 00:26:58,810 --> 00:26:57,289 that's it one question here can you 621 00:27:01,810 --> 00:26:58,820 discern the frequency of the wide 622 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:01,820 emissions no we're just simply counting 623 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:04,010 photons all we know is that they fall in 624 00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:07,220 the range of the detectors 400 700 625 00:27:11,139 --> 00:27:09,620 nanometers and I suppose filters could 626 00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,149 be used here he has some ideas about how 627 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:14,720 we might discern the frequency specific 628 00:27:20,350 --> 00:27:17,450 frequencies in that range we had a 629 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:20,360 problem we had to pick a detector that 630 00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,770 was winner within our budget and we had 631 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:26,720 to have one that had extremely loud our 632 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,510 low dark counts below about 15 counts 633 00:27:34,990 --> 00:27:31,460 per second anything else would not do 634 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:35,000 because our signal is so low and that 635 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:36,950 particular detector I talked to him 636 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:37,460 amatsu 637 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:39,049 but they would not give me an anode 638 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,820 output if they would give me an anode 639 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:42,840 output then I could run it into 640 00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:45,330 spectrum analyzer and then we could get 641 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:48,300 a color a signal and I'm trying to 642 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:50,190 convince Beverly to allow me to open it 643 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:52,050 up because I have a screwdriver at home 644 00:27:59,660 --> 00:27:57,030 but so far she has not concerned about 645 00:28:02,390 --> 00:27:59,670 the detector if he opens it up with 646 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:02,400 it'll work again of course but maybe he 647 00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:04,830 could take the anode voltage and then we 648 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,980 could possibly discern frequency if you 649 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:09,480 would put some pressure on her that 650 00:28:15,290 --> 00:28:13,230 would work they're expensive these 651 00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,300 detectors and we only have but we have 652 00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:17,400 two now but still we could use both of 653 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:21,790 them thank you very much a thank you 654 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:25,530 [Applause]